| Author | Comment | ||
|---|---|---|---|
 R Hills is God |
Make your voice heard - sign the petition |
Lead | |
|
Posts: 101 (06/16/05 14:11:09) |
Fed up with ATR delay?
Don't care but still want to lend your support to the good guys? Sign the petition here: www.guestcity.com/cgi-bin...=atrgohome View the guestbook here: www.guestcity.com/cgi-bin...=atrgohome |
||
|
Ian Davies |
Petition | ||
|
Posts: 955 (06/17/05 03:32:36) Moderator |
We should all sign this.
|
||
|
Gulf King |
Re: Petition | ||
|
Posts: 967 (06/17/05 04:52:15) Moderator |
I've signed up .. blatant cheating IMO .. !!
|
||
|
empty wallet |
Re: Petition | ||
|
Posts: 175 (06/17/05 16:42:40) |
Does not seem many signing the petition,
come on BackersandLayers,i don't bet in running, but this delay is very UNFAIR on those that do,being ripped off by on-course bookies etc who use the delay to thier advantage so for the benefit of "in running" punters everywhere take a couple of minutes to add your voice to a worthy cause |
||
|
Ian Davies |
Get signing | ||
|
Posts: 955 (06/18/05 05:41:26) Moderator |
I totally agree - the apathy on the Big Blue forum (which is read by thousands) to the link to this petition is staggering.
The Big Green forum can show them the way here - it takes a few seconds to sign this very fair petition. |
||
|
OddsAgainst |
Re: Get signing | ||
|
Posts: 2362 (06/18/05 05:58:46) Administrator |
I don't do in-running horses but I am curious about this. Surely if everyone knows there is a 3 second delay then they are not at a disadvantage? You would be if you chose to bet knowing this of course. So should the plea not be "remove the 3 second delay and make ATR a suitable medium for in-running players to use"?
Has this delay been deliberately introduced and if so, why? |
||
|
Ian Davies |
Re: Get signing | ||
|
Posts: 955 (06/18/05 07:57:34) Moderator |
OddsAgainst,
It looks like a deliberate attempt on the part of the big bookmaking interests which own chunks of ATR to kill the exchange in-running betting product by confering an unassailable advantage to those who are at the track or have SIS. As such, it is to be exposed and resisted on principle, IMO. |
||
|
R Hills is God |
Re: Get signing | ||
|
Posts: 101 (06/19/05 08:44:36) |
Oddsagainst - not everyone is 3-5 seconds behind - people at the track & those with access to other pictures (Racetech/SIS) suffer little or no delay. Some might say that people working for those supplying the delayed pictures take advantage of their hapless customers by betting in-running against them, I couldn't possibly comment.
I'll move the thread across to the big blue horse racing froum to see if it gets more response. I'm not so sure about 'big green'. It smacks too much of the copycat. How about the Green Giant. |
||
|
OddsAgainst |
Re: Get signing | ||
|
Posts: 2362 (06/19/05 09:08:37) Administrator |
Surely then it's suicidal to bet against those punters using ATR? Maybe I'm missing something but you would only be at a disadvantage if you were unaware of the delay. As even I already knew about this anyone who bets in-running should also know. If they don't they really should not be betting in-running.
|
||
|
empty wallet |
Re: Get signing | ||
|
Posts: 175 (06/19/05 10:06:55) |
Odds
I agree with your post,they should not bet in running using the ATR feed When one on course bookmaker brags about how he exploits this delay,we must try to get the powers that be to recognise this and try to get them to reduce their advantage,if possible, over other punters as much as possible We may not be able to get a level playing field,but may get at least a satisfactory delayed one for the in running punter |
||
|
OddsAgainst |
Re: Get signing | ||
|
Posts: 2362 (06/19/05 10:23:41) Administrator |
So there are plenty of punters betting in-in running unaware that the pictures are delayed? Even if they are surely they'd twig when they see a horse going to 1000 and then seeing it fall some 3 seconds later? Or are we talking about an army of complete muppets that need to be protected from their own stupidity?
|
||
|
Ian Davies |
the case for signing | ||
|
Posts: 955 (06/19/05 13:42:10) Moderator |
OddsAgainst,
IMO, exchange markets cannot flourish unless users are reasonably confident they are operating on a level playing field where the only advantage anyone enjoys is the sheer intellectual advantage of being able to evaluate a probability and trade accordingly better than the next guy. Hence, it makes sense to lobby for equality if information, and that includes pictures. It might be hopelessly idealistic, given the ownership of ATR, but IMO that doesn't alter the fact that it is right and fair to crave this. Hence IMO everyone should be happy to take the minute it takes to sign the petition. |
||
|
OddsAgainst |
Re: the case for signing | ||
|
Posts: 2362 (06/19/05 23:28:01) Administrator |
Quote: Don't you mean "in-running horse racing markets" here? Surely the amount matched on these is but a tiny proportion of the total matched on a race and an even smaller proportion of total exchange revenue? Anyone betting in-running is always going to be at a disadvantage unless they are at the course or have access to a real-time feed. If the campaign is for an improved ATR service then fine, but no-one who has contributed to this thread is betting in-running using ATR, are they? |
||
|
Ian Davies |
Re: the case for signing | ||
|
Posts: 955 (06/20/05 09:30:13) Moderator |
I do mean 'inn-running,'' something backandlay does not yet offer, partly because there isn't the liquidity for it yet and partly because we need to built a variable time delay (probably one second for racing and othe rmarkets, five seconds for football) instruction into the back-end at the point of market creation.
Real time probably isn't possible in terms of satellite and cable channels but ther'es no excuse for ATR deliberately building in an extra delay to scupper exchange betting products. |
||
